Tuesday, January 03, 2006

Frontline - The Torture Question

You all must watch this PBS Documentary about how torture became the norm in our once humane military. The link above allows you to watch the entire program on your computer.

Just a warning, this might make you a little sick to your stomach. If you have a shred of human decency, self respect, responsibility, or traditional patriotic values this should make you very ashamed of how far our great nation has fallen in just a few short years. We faced down the mighty Soviet Union for nearly fifty years without giving up our cherished values; now we cower before a pathetic band of thieves and thugs. There can be no justification, practical or moral, for the sort of behavior shown in this documentary. If you differ, you are a fool and a coward.

7 Thoughts:

Blogger pawlr said...

See here how King Bush's false interpretation of Article II allows him to blow off more laws of the land.

Wednesday, January 04, 2006 9:42:00 AM  
Blogger Kyahgirl said...

Unfortunately, I don't have the bandwidth to watch the documentary. However, just reading the other information on the torture issue on Frontline's webpage is enough to get the picture.

Humans are capable of horrendous things. This information just serves to confirm that despite having high ideals, 'civilized westerners' are just as capable of depravity.

Wednesday, January 04, 2006 11:09:00 AM  
Blogger Demotiki said...

Kyahgirl,

Yes, I agree. Human beings have a dark side that comes out now and then. When it does we all feel sick because we know that the same evil fate might have been ours but for the accidents of history.

The Frontline special does a really great job of showing how the torture arose out of the army's inablity to deal with an entirely novel situation. The US Army wasn't ready to take in some 10,000 prisoners. They were particularly poor at getting useful information. As a result of pressure from Bush to "take the gloves off," commanders began to use more and more force. As we know, force doesn't really help interigators to get information, and the pressure from Bush to torture for information lead to a vicious cycle. The more they tortured, the less information they received, which lead to calls for more and more severe forms of torture. Eventually, soldiers were going into private homes and torturing the people who lived there. As a result, we have worse intelligence now than we had when we first arrived in Iraq. Like everything else, Bush sucks at torture too.

Wednesday, January 04, 2006 12:28:00 PM  
Blogger Kyahgirl said...

Thanks Demo.

I guess another thing this shows it the inherent weakness of the command and control structure. When the leaders are ineffective and tainted by bad judgement, you just get into a downward spiral. People in the ranks are empowered to do the right thing, even if they can figure out what is it. It's a truly ugly situation.

I hope Bush is vanquished but it seems there are still a lot of supporters for his government. Grim.

Wednesday, January 04, 2006 1:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Zenaida said...

I saw an article in the Boston Globe about something called a "Signing Order" which Bush attached to the bill prohibiting torture. Apparently this allows him to bypass the law should he deem it necessary.

Have you guys heard of this sort of thing before?

Wednesday, January 04, 2006 3:53:00 PM  
Blogger Kyahgirl said...

I think if you follow the link in pawlr's post above, it will lead you to more info.

Wednesday, January 04, 2006 5:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Zenaida said...

Sorry, my bad. I didn't realize that you had linked to the very article I had read! Duh!

I just finished watching the Frontline report. Sickening.

Wednesday, January 04, 2006 6:27:00 PM  

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