Monday, October 24, 2005

KA-Boom: MSNBC: "Full blown crisis" for the White House

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Blogger Doug said...

Dude, that was a NYT article...informative, but was there another link you meant to provide?

Monday, October 24, 2005 9:53:00 PM  
Blogger pawlr said...

No - mixing my links - heard the quote on MSNBC and then saw the Times article.

Clearly this exposes Libby as a liar who was trying to cover for Cheney. Also exposes Cheney as a complete Liar--remember him claiming that "he never heard of Wilson"? My ass!!

Now even Scarborough is featuring it as a bombshell story that "jumps off the page".

Hard not to expect indictments at this point.

Monday, October 24, 2005 10:03:00 PM  
Blogger Demotiki said...


I don't know if that Times article is such a "Ka-boom." We all knew that Fitz was going after Cheney. If he had the goods on him alright, but this doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

It's Iran Contra all over again - or I should say Cosa Nostra all over again. The soldiers do the dirty work and protect the capo with their lives. Cheney is insolated by the lies given by Libby. Libby and Rove will be indicted on obstruction of justice, giving false answers to Federal investigators and possibly for purjury. That's probably the best we can hope for, unless by broadening his investigation he turned up evidence from Italy or from an unknown domestic source. If he found out for instance who paid for the Niger forgeries, then we would be off to the race.

Monday, October 24, 2005 10:08:00 PM  
Blogger Demotiki said...

Explain this to me, why does CNN's court-tv inspired program "Headline Prime" not cover Plamegate instead of the latest young-women-killing?

Monday, October 24, 2005 10:11:00 PM  
Blogger pawlr said...

Check out Scarborough - "terrible news for the Bush administration".. and there's also a Tucker sandwich going on! Tucker is positive that Fitz leaked this when the 2 dudes on either side are convinced that Libby's people leaked it because they were sure it was going to come out in an indictment this week.

Damn its difficult to contain expectations with this going on..

Monday, October 24, 2005 10:15:00 PM  
Blogger pawlr said...

You still watch CNN? I would seriously rather watch Fox. At least you know what you're getting.

Monday, October 24, 2005 10:18:00 PM  
Blogger Demotiki said...

I don't "watch" anything. I "surf/monitor" everything. Scratch that, I watch the Daily Show and Colbert report when I have time.

Monday, October 24, 2005 10:34:00 PM  
Blogger pawlr said...

WASHINGTON (June 4) -- Vice President Dick Cheney was recently interviewed by federal prosecutors who asked whether he knew of anyone at the White House who had improperly disclosed the identity of an undercover C.I.A. officer, people who have been involved in official discussions about the case said on Friday.

Mr. Cheney was also asked about conversations with senior aides, including his chief of staff, I. Lewis Libby, according to people officially informed about the case. In addition, those people said, Mr. Cheney was asked whether he knew of any concerted effort by White House aides to name the officer. It was not clear how Mr. Cheney responded to the prosecutors' questions.

if Cheney denied it, he's goin down hard..

Monday, October 24, 2005 10:39:00 PM  
Blogger Demotiki said...

Wouldn't it be rich if Cheney got nailed for lying to Federal investigators, the same trumped up charge that got Martha Stewart, although we know her true crime was being rich AND Democratic.

What was the source for that Paul?

I can't wait to learn more about criminal law.

Monday, October 24, 2005 10:48:00 PM  
Blogger Demotiki said...

Now this is the


Monday, October 24, 2005 10:58:00 PM  
Blogger pawlr said...

dude, that's the link I just posted.. but no matter, the more links the merrier

Monday, October 24, 2005 11:09:00 PM  
Blogger pawlr said...

Source for that earlier excerpt CBS News.

Monday, October 24, 2005 11:10:00 PM  
Blogger pawlr said...

Today's NYT article:

WASHINGTON, Oct. 24 - I. Lewis Libby Jr., Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, first learned about the C.I.A. officer at the heart of the leak investigation in a conversation with Mr. Cheney weeks before her identity became public in 2003, lawyers involved in the case said Monday.

======== CONTRAST WITH =========

Sunday, Sept. 13, 2003 Meet the Press:

MR. RUSSERT: Now, Ambassador Joe Wilson, a year before that, was sent over by the CIA because you raised the question about uranium from Africa. He says he came back from Niger and said that, in fact, he could not find any documentation that, in fact, Niger had sent uranium to Iraq or engaged in that activity and reported it back to the proper channels. Were you briefed on his findings in February, March of 2002?

VICE PRES. CHENEY: No. I don’t know Joe Wilson. I’ve never met Joe Wilson. A question had arisen. I’d heard a report that the Iraqis had been trying to acquire uranium in Africa, Niger in particular. I get a daily brief on my own each day before I meet with the president to go through the intel. And I ask lots of question. One of the questions I asked at that particular time about this, I said, “What do we know about this?” They take the question. He came back within a day or two and said, “This is all we know. There’s a lot we don’t know,” end of statement. And Joe Wilson—I don’t who sent Joe Wilson. He never submitted a report that I ever saw when he came I say, I don’t know Mr. Wilson. I probably shouldn’t judge him. I have no idea who hired him and it never came...


Either the NYT story is a lie, or Cheney is lying. One or the other.

Monday, October 24, 2005 11:19:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

I really don't trust all these rightwingers screaming about the worst. It smells like a set-up to discredit the opposition. It's got Rove's fingerprints all over it.

We'll all see soon. I smell smokescreen; at best, one or two folks'll fall on their sword for the prez; at worst, no one gets indicted, and with no report, we never get the full story.

Monday, October 24, 2005 11:31:00 PM  
Blogger pawlr said...

Doug - you might be right - and perhaps I'm wrong. But I find it difficult for this frenzy to be so orchestrated. Some things are even beyond Rove to coordinate. Especially since the level of compliance by news orgs would have to be beyond anything that outrages us to this point.

And its difficult to pull such a "long con" on an electorate with such a short memory. Knowing what we know about past media manipulations, its just not their style to circulate such build up for so long, without absolute certainty about what the outcome will be. And Fitzgerald cred seems to be pretty good (I don't believe he's "in" on it).

But, we'll see.

Monday, October 24, 2005 11:46:00 PM  
Blogger pawlr said...

1. NYT says Tenet told Cheney about Wilson.

2. Remember that Tenet asked for the investigation in the first place.

3. Tenet wouldn't order the investigation if Valerie Wilson wasn't undercover.

4. Ergo, Cheney is Fitz-meat.

I'm still hopeful.

Monday, October 24, 2005 11:55:00 PM  
Blogger pawlr said...

More on why this is a big deal from The Washington Note:

First of all, this means that Vice President Cheney has known all along that he was Scooter Libby's source -- and whether Libby had license from him or not to try and slaughter the reputation of Joe Wilson -- CHENEY KNEW.

The entire charade of President Bush stating that he wanted to get to the bottom of who leaked Plame's name -- and who was involved -- is no longer believable at any level. Cheney would not have failed to disclose this to Bush, and Bush played along as if none of his staff were involved. They confessed nothing -- accepted no responsibilty -- until forced by Fitzgerald.

Tuesday, October 25, 2005 9:44:00 AM  

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