Tuesday, October 25, 2005

Firedoglake's analysis of revelations

Check out the past 3 entries, which reveal this from Cheney's 9/14/05 Meet the Press encounter with Russert:

VICE PRES. CHENEY: I don’t know Mr. Wilson. I probably shouldn’t judge him. I have no idea who hired him and it never came...


VICE PRES. CHENEY: Who in the CIA, I don’t know.

If the NYT article is correct re: Libby's "newfound" notes, Tenet has already given up V. Wilson to Cheney at his behest.

Cheney Lied to the American People.

Unlike Doug, at this time, I do not believe this is part of a coordinated disinformation campaign, or setup for a "gotcha" moment, since its just too explosive and damaging to be controllable by later events.

13 Thoughts:

Blogger pawlr said...

The other reason why this doesn't smell like coordinated disinformation is that the WH is now transparently going after Fitz with wild eyes suddenly, after they have been consistently spinning the "we don't attack prosecutors" meme as lately as a few weeks ago (note that Bush has not gotten his hands dirty yet in the Fitz smear). It just doesn't add up.

Of course, I could be wrong, the usual caveats, etc. etc..

Tuesday, October 25, 2005 10:46:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

I like the pic of the weasels. Weaseling out of things is what separates us from the animals...'cept the weasel.

We'll see re: Fitzy. I'm suspicious, but not convinced of anything. It's impossible to be convinced of something we don't yet know -- people can say "I'm sure that..." or somesuch thing, but what they mean is "I bet that..." or "I hope that..."

I hope that Fitz frogmarches everyone out of the WH, that Cheney resigns, and that the smokescreen that is protecting Bush (one other possible reason for all the neocon/conservative predictions of doom) is that w/o Cheney actively in charge, without another election to run, Bush loses a guy some Reps wanted him to dump in '04, loses a political advisor that can't really help (making the best of a bad situation here, is what I'm thinking they're thinking), and gives second wind to his second term. With Rumsfeld, Rice, et al, still firmly entrenched. A couple of 'em fall on their sword, but unless the whole government falls, this won't necessarily change policy.

Even if Fitz indicts.

That's another fear I have.

Tuesday, October 25, 2005 10:49:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Clarification: I should have cut off the "I hope that..." list before presenting the smokescreen worry. Clearly, I don't hope that it's all smokescreen that preserves the nucleus of neocon idiocy.

Tuesday, October 25, 2005 10:50:00 AM  
Blogger Demotiki said...

Fucker Carlson said on MSNBC that the administration erred in not attacking Fitz earlier. I just love that, he criticized them for not smearing a prosecutor who he acknowledges was acting in good faith, simply because it was poor political tactics.

Tuesday, October 25, 2005 10:50:00 AM  
Blogger Demotiki said...

There is a very simple explaination for why they didn't attack Fitz from the start. They suspected that they might be better off sweet-talking him since Fitz was in the driver's seat. What would be the point of pissing him off? Now that they know he's probably going to fuck them, they will respond in kind. To a certain extent, the attacks on Fitz this week show that at least some in the Republican camp suspect serious indictments.

Tuesday, October 25, 2005 10:55:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

I pay no attention to anyone my age who wears a bow tie in a pathetic attempt to fill George Will's shoes.

Everyone knows that to do that, not only would Carlson have to learn to write a whole lot better, but he'd also have to steal debate notes from the Democrats and give them to the Republicans, as Will did in 1980.

Tuesday, October 25, 2005 10:57:00 AM  
Blogger pawlr said...

The other possibility is, if Fitz cleans house, Daddy bails out Junior yet again, by bringing in all the old-guard conservatives that have been suspiciously visible of late (Scowcroft being one), Armitage, Powell, etc.. However, its not clear if all these players will go along with this, because its a thankless task cleaning up Pottery Barn with all those shards on the floor.

Tuesday, October 25, 2005 11:05:00 AM  
Blogger Demotiki said...

Look to Reagan, he was in deep shit following Iran-Contra, he cleaned house in a major way and finished smelling like roses. However, this is much much bigger than Iran Contra (which was big itself). There's no feasible way for Bush to save his presidency. He will limp through his remaining years attracting flies and making everyone in the Republican Party feel paigns of 'buyers remorse.' In 2006 there will be one more effort to retain power through more electoral fraud, but the margins might be too large for them to pull it off without getting caught. By 2008 the Republican party will be in the midst of rebranding their product. Much of their base will be lack the energy they once had, although very few of them will defect. Democrats must bring to thier side fiscal conservatives and gun rights believers from the North, West and Southwest. Only then can we force the Republicans into the wilderness where they can find a way to be a party without that southern corruption/religion crap. I long for a Republican party that's a viable opposition and stands for something other than corruption, sexual perversion and general moral depravity. It would be nice if they had some policies for example. . .

Tuesday, October 25, 2005 11:28:00 AM  
Blogger pawlr said...

Fitz has decided to seek indictments according to Raw Story

Tuesday, October 25, 2005 1:04:00 PM  
Blogger Demotiki said...

Raw Story has never let me down before. However, all that bit says is that Fitz will seek two indictments. That's pretty much what all of us assumed anyway.

I just hope that he can make something other than purjury or lying to federal investigators stick. If he could get even one indictment on the charge of exposing a covert agent I think that might go a long way towards making our CIA workers feel more secure. After all, they are taking the risks in this war, not some government fat-cats like Rove and Libby.

Tuesday, October 25, 2005 5:04:00 PM  
Blogger pawlr said...

Washington Note now says 1-5 indictments, probably on the high end.

Tuesday, October 25, 2005 5:16:00 PM  
Blogger pawlr said...

For more background, consult the PERRspectives resource center.

Adding to the nav under "resources".

Tuesday, October 25, 2005 6:53:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Perhaps it's because I'm a Red Sox fan, but I'm waiting till tomorrow to even express an opinion. :)

Btw, keep adding stuff to the links, guys! It's really great to see new sources of info -- go for it. I like the *NEW* tag, too...nice.

I think Andrew alphabetized the Blog section...feel free to do that with others if you like, or leave 'em as is. I don't care as long as none are removed without checking with the group. (Unless they're obviously defunct, e.g., the Live8 replay was taken off AOLmusic, so I killed that.)

Wednesday, October 26, 2005 11:15:00 AM  

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