Tuesday, August 23, 2005

Good Article (for once) in the Times on Evolution and ID

Parenthetically, you can tell that I've just finished a project, no?

Sorry for all the posts -- feel free, as always, to comment on what interests you, including commenting on none of these! :) LOL.

4 Thoughts:

Blogger Kyahgirl said...

Ok, to save you from having to chat to yourself Doug, I'll comment :-)

I've been following these posts with interest since I didn't know anything about the ID movement up until a week ago. I've learned quite a bit. Thanks!

I struggle with the idea, or rather the people behind the ID movement because they seem to have a nefarious agenda. Really, what IS the problem with embracing science as well as the possibility of divinity or some higher power? Why does it have to one at the expense of the other? I wouldn't say I really believe in GOD as we tend to discuss it on earth, but I'm willing to leave my mind open to the possibility. I do believe in what I can measure and collect data on-the physical world and scientific discovery. My intuitive/empathic side wants to believe there is 'more' to this life on earth than just facts and I'm ok with 'higher powers' etc. I don't want to believe that we humans are just a magnificent bag of chemical reactions. However, the scientist in me suggests it could be true. Look how many behaviours are radicaly changed by 'chemicals in the brain'. Maybe things we attribute to 'god' may just be the results of molecules going here and there.
But, at the end of the day, why does it matter so much that you need to shove that down someone's throat? If the ID group was really so convinced of presence of GOD, why don't they just go about the business of living the good life, contributing to society, etc.?

Will they make the world a better place? I don't think so.

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 6:02:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Well stated -- that's the key question.

The average kid will get at most a couple dozen of hours of instruction in evolution in public school. Parents have orders of magnitude more time to uneducate them on that score if they like.

So, what, actually IS the problem? Since ID is so obviously not science, why are people pushing it so hard? Answering those questions leads you right into the scary theocratic designs (no pun intended) of the ruling wing of the GOP.

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 6:07:00 PM  
Blogger pawlr said...

ID, as far as I can tell, really trying to see what it is in and of itself, is simply an ad hoc collection of criticisms of evolution. In and of itself, it is simply a monumental cop-out. Essentially its saying, "Since X (this or that wrinkle in evolution) can't be explained, we HAVE to explain it by falling back on Y (our prejudgements about a mastermind of creation)". This is all underscored by the fact that ID has no basis whatsoever for preferring any SPECIFIC intelligent designer - notes left behind by Martians, for example, microfiche of blueprints for man/woman, etc. If it did, then we'd have a debate, but as there is no such evidence, we're left with the marketing of wish-fulfillment, which garners "balanced" reports in the MSM.

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 6:29:00 PM  
Blogger pawlr said...

Add to this that most of IDs ad hoc criticisms have already been answered by, guess what, advances in evolutionary science itself.

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 6:30:00 PM  

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