Saturday, August 20, 2005

Bill to Disallow Permanent US Bases in Iraq

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6 Thoughts:

Blogger Demotiki said...

Get on the horn to Pat Buchanan, he'll jump on board. Let's get the Republicans to move back to that isolationist tradition we used to decry in the 1930s.

Saturday, August 20, 2005 7:45:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

I seem to have misplaced his number...

Saturday, August 20, 2005 7:57:00 PM  
Blogger Demotiki said...


I remember when the Philippines kicked Marcos out and the first thing they did was evict the airmen at Clark and close down all of the other bases. It was clearly a great move. You almost never hear of the country these days. For third world countries, no news is good news.


Saturday, August 20, 2005 10:44:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Vidal's been pushing for a new "isolationism" for quite some time.

I think a mandatory draft and a rediscovery of the fact that Congress is the only branch that can declare war would help decrease adventurism precipitously.

Looking at Iraq from another angle -- there were huge protests here, after 9/11 mind you, before the war started. And support has eroded far more rapidly than it did for Vietnam, with far fewer casualities on both sides. So, yes, the yahoos are loud and noticeable, but the reality-based community is also quite loud, and American's tolerance for drawn-out military adventures is still, on the whole, pretty small. From a certain point of view.

Sunday, August 21, 2005 1:55:00 PM  
Blogger Demotiki said...

You are right, some of the lessons of Vietnam are not lost on us. Hegel and other are starting to say, "if we are losing or have lost, it's time to plan for the retreat." That's far different than the Vietnam war.

I think the greatest blow we have suffered in this war is that we are now clearly beatable. That's going to embolden our enemies. I am not so niave as to think we don't have any.

Hersh thinks that the insurgency is planning a "Tet" style offensive to really drive the point home. He says they are planning on striking deep in the Green Zone. Imagine what would happen if they succeeded. The worst is yet to come.

Sunday, August 21, 2005 10:45:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Excellent point, Andrew. Part of the aura of power is not using it unless you know you're going to win...gee, wasn't this kinda like the Powell Doctrine? If you're in a deathmatch, no one's worried about your geopolitical standing, such as in WWII.

But when you go abroad searching for dragons to slay, and then you don't slay them (not to mention you're going after the wrong people on any number of levels), yes, you do encourage your true enemies.

Bin Laden is laughing is frigging ass off at us. Not to mention Iran, who has gotten from us what it never could have achieved -- a nascent at least rump-state that is Islamist or at least Sharia-based, de facto (except in Kurdish regions) if not soon to be de jure. What a bunch of total morons.

Monday, August 22, 2005 3:24:00 PM  

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