Saturday, July 16, 2005

Chalk Another One Up for the Good Guys

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4 Thoughts:

Blogger Palmer said...

There's a whole lot of self-congratulations flying around on the so-called left....

Frankly, I think it's pathetic that the only way the bathos of the Democratic shambles starts to look good is when the plutocratic right gets caught in bed with its own hawks and pundits. Over and over again.

We need new language and fast. Who's the next 3rd party candidate from the Left? Nader's done. Who's next.

Saturday, July 16, 2005 10:42:00 PM  
Blogger Doug said...

Hey, Mike!

Glad to have you aboard.

Of course, this post was about the Red Sox, but I see your point.

I and many others on here are for a third party -- frankly, any third party (or fourth, etc.) left, right, or center would be amenable to me. I think we need it.

The Greens are still the best shot out there, and are wisely building up via grassroots. I can't judge the national reach and seriousness of the Reform and Libertarian parties.

Unless and until we have a viable third-party candidate, though, by 2008, I'll again be going Dem, warts and all. Dean as chair gives me hope for that party.

The GOP is about to split -- you can see the fault lines. Whether they split internally or (far less likely) externally, I don't know. But the fiscal conservatives do not agree with the social/wacko-religious conservatives, for sure, so there's tension there.

I think that if we can get:

1. More open media outlets -- not just the internet;
2. Rid of touch-screen voting machines (or paper trails for same; either way;
3. Real campaign finance reform, including mandatory publicly funded debates, etc.;
4. More open balloting in primaries (re: third parties);

then we'll have some real republican democracy here.

I'd love to see any presidential candidate submit a budget as a mandatory part of running. Could be the current year's budget, in order to play off of the incumbent's, and to forestall any complaints of "hypotheticals," which wouldn't be totally issue-dodging, to be fair.

I agree with your general thrust that the two-party system is sick, if not moribund (whether it continues or not -- I guess a better metaphor would be that the two-party system is a dangerous parasite on the body politic).

Keep coming back and sounding off! We don't have a voice quite like yours on here, and we could use one!

Nader was a big disappointment to me. He had the bad luck to come up in the Age of Bush. I would have voted for him any other time. He's a bit too old now; we need someone else with his name recognition and credentials, who also understands politics. I actually don't think he did any damage in '04 ("damage"); his public statements made it clear he got what Kerry was up against. As for blaming him for 2000 -- I don't think anyone really knew how radical Bush would be; though we should have.

Anyway, nice post!

Sunday, July 17, 2005 10:09:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Hey, Palmer:

Another point: I, too, don't think we all ought to be thrilled prematurely with Rove, et al.

I think the GOP is eminently able to wiggle out; maybe they won't. The larger point is the lies and illegal war that led to Iraq.

In any event, much of the "self-congratulation" you see is the desperate hope that something, anything, will penetrate into the American mind on these criminals. I see a difference in kind between BushCo and previous admins (except Nixon's, perhaps); you may see a difference in degree. A large difference in degree is roughly equivalent to a difference in kind -- no need to argue metaphysics while Rome burns!

Anyway, what's your take on where the anti-Bush camp should go? ("Anti-Bush" includes true conservatives, liberals, many moderates, Greens, libertarians/Reform folks...etc.)

Sunday, July 17, 2005 10:14:00 AM  
Blogger Doug said...

Final comment, Palmer: We've got left and right here, as you probably saw. (We've hooked up with rightwing, Christian blog(s) recently in order to get past the echo chamber effect.)

Would be very happy to see your views represented here, as we lack them.

Sunday, July 17, 2005 10:21:00 AM  

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